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  • Hey Kroed, just wanted to talk a bit about the Hello! Morning episode stuff and see how much you agree or disagree. First, I don't think individual episode pages is a bad idea. It's one of many things I thought would be neat in the "If I had infinite time" sense. BUT I think for each episode to be worth a page it would need to be pretty detailed. Like this Japanese page which has only a few dozen episodes, but quite a lot of info and screens for each one.

    But for something a bit simpler like the Contents section of the page you made, yeah, I think a combined page like AnonymousBuono suggested and you already agreed with is the way to go. Maybe new pages for new seasons would be appropriate--I think trying to put hundreds of even short episode descriptions on the same page is pretty crowded and the opposite extreme to having a page per episode.

    Something I've thought would be a good start for any short descriptions would be the sections they usually announce near the beginning of the episode with short descriptions--but at least for me that involves looking up a lot of unfamiliar kanji so is a slow and easy-to-mess-up process. A couple years ago I tried transcribing/romanizing/translating these segment titles for the first couple episodes and my conclusion was basically that it was more time-consuming than probably worth. Just those sections wouldn't be quite adequate anyway, since it would miss out on things like performances that happen before the main title sequence.

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    Another thing I've thought would be neat to include, and would be something easier on a technical level for me to accomplish, would be images like these that collect thumbnails from throughout an episode. This is also actually something I've tested a bit before. The images here were what I thought was the best result I could find at the time--I was kind of hoping to find something with just a little more control over certain things, like the display of hours and milliseconds in these images makes it seem more complicated than it need be. But compared to other programs I tried it was pretty flexible in how to scale and arrange the images, and the text actually came out more readable than ugly. I'm not married to the exact way I have things set up here, but I went with a 6x6 grid of images because I figured it was a good amount for at least catching a glimpse of any major segment--a little more or less than a minute between each image, depending on the episode length.

    For the first episode you used the episode title 来週からハロモニ。スタートだ!!. I have seen this title before attached to this episode, but I'm wondering where you got it? I've never seen anything like an official episode guide, so I've never been sure if the Japanese titles I've seen attached to H!M episodes were their actual episode titles or something the people recording and sharing them added on.

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    • Hi!

      Sorry for the late reply! I haven't been to work for a few days, which is where I am when I am cruising the wiki :D

      "Hey Kroed, just wanted to talk a bit about the Hello! Morning episode stuff and see how much you agree or disagree. First, I don't think individual episode pages is a bad idea. It's one of many things I thought would be neat in the "If I had infinite time" sense. BUT I think for each episode to be worth a page it would need to be pretty detailed. Like this Japanese page which has only a few dozen episodes, but quite a lot of info and screens for each one."

      I agree! I’ll re-watch the episode a little by little, and add info when I get to do so.I see others have been updating the Hello! Morning site, so that is great 😊

      "Another thing I've thought would be neat to include, and would be something easier on a technical level for me to accomplish, would be images like these that collect thumbnails from throughout an episode. "

      Those screenshots look great! I think an older version of windows media can do that. Is that the player you are using for this?

      "For the first episode you used the episode title 来週からハロモニ。スタートだ!!. I have seen this title before attached to this episode, but I'm wondering where you got it?"

      I went through an old hard drive, and found folders with episodes i downloaded a long time ago! They are all labeled in Japanese. They are really neatly organized, so I guessed the uploader who is maybe the same as the one who recorded the episodes named them accrodingly.

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    • The program I made those thumbnails with is ezthumb.

      OK, sounds like you got the episode name the same place I saw it. We probably shouldn't treat them like they're the actual names, then, if they're just something another fan labeled them with years ago. Too bad, but I guess they weren't always unique anyway. 20190927hellomorningnames

      Not today, but soon I'll try to put together an episode list page we can start adding to. I have an idea for that I don't think has been done for episode lists before, at least on this wiki--a little template just for this purpose. As an example of what I mean, each episode on The Girls Live Episodes page is part of a table and looks something like

      |-
      | align="center" bgcolor="#D7D7D7"|'''2'''
      | align="center" bgcolor="#D7D7D7"|2014.01.16
      | bgcolor="#D7D7D7"|[[Oda Sakura]], [[Miyamoto Karin]], [[Berryz Koubou]], [[℃-ute]], [[S/mileage]]
      |-
      | colspan="3"|
      *Oda Sakura's and Miyamoto Karin's rehearsal of [[Aitai Aitai Aitai na|Kanashiki Heaven]], and Berryz Koubou, ℃-ute, and S/mileage performances and backstage interviews at the [[Hello! Project 2014 WINTER ~DE-HA MiX~]] concert
      |-
      |bgcolor="violet" colspan="3"|

      and a template version would be more like

      {{tglepisode
      |number = 2
      |date = 2014.01.16
      |featured = [[Oda Sakura]], [[Miyamoto Karin]], [[Berryz Koubou]], [[℃-ute]], [[S/mileage]]
      |description = *Oda Sakura's and Miyamoto Karin's rehearsal of [[Aitai Aitai Aitai na|Kanashiki Heaven]], and Berryz Koubou, ℃-ute, and S/mileage performances and backstage interviews at the [[Hello! Project 2014 WINTER ~DE-HA MiX~]] concert
      }}

      which has the advantage of I think being easier to edit the contents of, and also would be easier to change the look of or add more information later, since it could be done by tweaking the template rather than dealing with changing hundreds of things on a giant table.

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    • I was trying to figure out if the show ever acknowledged years as seasons. Since I was suggesting splitting the episodes into multiple pages, that would make a difference as to the best way to do it. I know the episodes can now be found bundled together in April-March seasons as it was broadcast, but I wonder if that's just another unofficial thing for convenience. The Wikipedia page just lists the total episode count, no mention of seasons.

      While searching for that information, though, I did run across some other interesting stuff. This area at TV Tokyo's site still contains just the bare bones of the Haromoni@ site, but using archive.org to go to earlier times, it is updated with tiny blurbs about whatever the current Hello! Morning episode is. Like April 23, 2005 to pick one arbitrarily, has

      <ハロモニ。占い鑑定団!!>
      手相、顔相、それぞれの占いの先生を呼んで、
      気になる運勢を分析!!

      and following the first link under it takes us to a slightly longer summary of what's in the episode. Unfortunately since archive.org isn't perfect it doesn't have a capture for every week, but still the closest I've seen to an official episode guide. I tried searching Google for some of these headings to see if anyone else had made copies of this information, but didn't have much luck.

      I doubt this is very helpful, but is too crazy not to share. One part of the site that seems well preserved is the BBS section. It looks like user comments for each day were saved on separate pages, and there are years and years of these pages.

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    • All sounds good :D


      I'll hold off until you've made the episode list :)

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    • OK, not worrying for the moment about things like splitting pages up by season or year--I've started up Hello! Morning Episodes. As I said, the design can always be changed. I started with the table from The Girls Live Episodes and made a lot of tweaks. I tried adding the thumbnail in a row with the episode number and other stuff, but even displayed small it was much taller than those texts and didn't look too good, so I've tried putting it to the side of the descriptions.

      As far as the templates for each episode goes, right now here's what I've got

      {{episode-hellomorning
      |epnum=
      |date=
      |arcmain=
      |arcnext=
      |thumb=
      |description=
      }}

      Most of it is pretty self-explanatory. Episode number, air date, thumbnail image, and main description. I think that covers all the important stuff, unless you can think of something else that can't just be added into the description where necessary?

      Arcmain and arcnext I thought it would be nice to link to the pages relevant to the individual episode I was finding at archive.org--but that's both something probably only I need to worry about and something that only seems to really apply to episodes from 2004 and later anyway.

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    • Not sure if we should add people who are in the episodes?

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    • I was thinking appearances outside of the regular cast vary enough each time that it could fit in with the Description section. Special Guest: or Appearance by: or whatever.

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    • Here's something else neat I've run across. "Hello Morning Details Database". Giant table with a ridiculous amount of info on what each episode contains. The most notable flaw is it's missing the last year or so of the show.

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    • I am back at work on tuesday! Will have a closer look at it then :)

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